Do you want to better understand ways to create diverse, equitable, inclusive and anti-racist cultures and organizations? Are you looking for practical tools to achieve this objective? Are you ready to take on the challenges of diversity, equity and inclusion in your organization?


Our special guest Dr. Shannon Prince answers these and other questions about leadership, diversity, equity and inclusion, world crafting, and creating anti-racist cultures and organizations.


Shannon Prince is an attorney, legal commentator, and speaker.  She earned her doctorate in African and African American Studies and her master’s degree in English from Harvard University Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, her law degree from Yale Law School, and her bachelor’s degree magna cum laude from Dartmouth College. 

She drafted best practice language on policing policies for the National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice, represented plaintiffs in CCJEF v. Rell, a high-profile landmark education adequacy lawsuit, and is currently representing the Cherokee Nation in their lawsuit against pharmaceutical distributors and pharmacies for their role in the opioid crisis that the tribe is suffering. She is a member of her firm’s Firm Diversity Council and is a Legal Council on Legal Diversity Pathfinder.

Her writing has been published in The Hill, Transition MagazineScience, and Jezebel among other venues, and she’s the author of Tactics for Racial Justice due out in January 2022.


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Show Notes

Episode highlights…

  • Moving beyond words and getting into diversity, equity and inclusion action
  • Differently understanding systemic racism (getting beyond the idea that racism is about bad people)
  • Understanding the realities of racism in business today
  • Using metrics to track disparities in impact
  • Making changes in diversity, equity and inclusion requires a focus on practices more than intentions
  • Understanding intersectionality in biases
  • Fundamentals of DEI training
  • Training doesn’t work in the absence of other diversity initiatives
  • Navigating the “we hire the best people” concept in light of diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives (understanding the role of unconscious biases)
  • The reality that more diverse companies outperform less diverse companies
  • Different practices you can use to increase your diversity, equity and inclusion
  • The importance of hiring for diversity, equity and inclusion mindsets
  • The of recruitment changes to build a more diverse, equitable and inclusive organization
  • Understanding the role of bias interrupting in creating more diverse and inclusive organizations
  • The importance of being more aware of your biases and assumptions (cultural metacognition)
  • Exploring ways that bias has an unintended impact on the lack of diversity
  • Ways that anti-racism initiatives are needed beyond diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives
  • Ways to amplify your communication and conversations about diversity, equity and inclusion issues
  • What you can do to create a safe place for your team to have open conversations about diversity, equity and inclusion
  • The role of vulnerability in diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives and conversations
  • Practicing world crafting by thinking like an ancestor … what future will you help create


Special Guest

Dr. Shannon Prince

Attorney, Legal Commentator, and Speaker

Your Hosts

Jeff Nischwitz

Author, speaker, coach, consultant, and
Chief SHIFT Officer of Cardivera

Craig Mathews

Strategist, innovator, consultant, and
CEO of Cardivera